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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast broadcasting from the

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base at la madre mountain just south of

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area 51. happy halloween to all of you

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my name is ryan the original outlaw of

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the airwaves bringing you an epic

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episode today

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on today's podcast we have the amazing

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malcolm robinson assistant editor of the

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outer limits magazine

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a very experienced paranormal researcher

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and we have a very interesting topic

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today that we're going to get into and

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one that i think is perfect for this

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halloween weekend

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malcolm has been interested in the

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strange world of ufos and the paranormal

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for as long as he can remember

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and in 1979 he formed his own research

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society entitled strange phenomena

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the aims of spi are to collect research

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and publish

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accounts relating to most aspects of

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strange phenomena and to purposefully

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endeavor to try to come up with some

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answers to account for

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what at present eludes us

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articles by malcolm have appeared in

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many of the world's ufo and paranormal

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magazines malcolm has assisted many of

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the uk's national and regional

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and stories concerning ghosts

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an experienced paranormal and ufo

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researcher with more books published

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than i can possibly mention

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including the sake poltergeist the

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britain volumes one and two

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among others

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but those are not what brings us

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together today today i am blessed to

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chat with mr malcolm robinson

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about his latest book by the title of

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please leave us alone

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this book delves into an area of the

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paranormal and ufo field few would ever

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want to go

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many paranormal and ufo enthusiasts

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crave contact looking for examples of

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interaction or sightings even a glimpse

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into the liminal plane is enough to get

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many excited

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however what if the weird and bizarre

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were more the norm than the exception

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bombarded by the paranormal may be more

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than most of us could handle

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glimpses into a reality in which

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otherworldly beings aliens ufos and the

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occult are commonplace

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malcolm

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robinson takes us on an incredible

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journey with patricia and amanda hession

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along with others making mental contact

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on a regular basis with entities beyond

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explanation

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picking up energies from sinister dark

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forces and ufos alike

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reading from this new book

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there is no denying that the paranormal

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has affected many countless thousands of

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people the world over in one way shape

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or form

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never in a million years did one family

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from dublin ireland ever think that they

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too would be subjected to paranormal

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effects

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however that was soon to be the case and

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soon they would be in contact with the

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hatman

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shadow people and the greys

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in this powerful book season paranormal

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researcher malcolm robinson presents

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many harrowing accounts

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of the family having to endure bedroom

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visitations and alien abduction

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we also have members of the public who

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share their own hat man stories in this

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book these not only back up the irish

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family and their own encounters but go

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to show that the hat man phenomena

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clearly is a worldwide and very

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frightening enigma

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if you are an inquirer of the paranormal

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and want to extend your knowledge of the

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weird and bizarre then this book is for

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you however if you are one of the

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faint-hearted variety and scare easily

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then this is not the book for you one

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thing is for sure

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after reading this book you may well

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sleep with the lights on

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so malcolm robinson welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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hi there ryan it's a pleasure to be on

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your show oh thank you yeah this is a

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great read and i have to ask how did you

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first become aware of the wild

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experiences of patricia and amanda

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um simply she actually found me to be

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honest with you ryan um she found my

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facebook site and back in 2011 she

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started to send me some very disturbing

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cases of a combination of weird and

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wonderful things that was occurring in

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their family home um you mentioned about

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the hatman that was one of them there

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were shadow beings there were what some

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would term as extraterrestrials i know

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incredible but there's no denying what

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that poor woman and her daughter had to

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absolutely so destroying so it really

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me through facebook um i realized that

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this was quite a story in itself you

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had help from some people in ireland she

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had some police bless the house and said

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paranormal researchers but nothing

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really happened nothing really changed

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anything the dynamics were still there

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the phenomena was still there and um so

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she looked to me to see if we could help

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in any way shape or form yeah

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things are very eerie in the book and

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reading the book it seemed like the high

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strangeness and paranormal activity

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followed patricia and amanda wherever

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yeah it would seem to be that i mean

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and one of the very early experiences

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she had of the hatman was in a cellar

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basement in this house

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she looked to the corner of the basement

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and she saw this tall shadowy figure

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wearing what looked like a fedora type

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hat a very menacing looking you know

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looking in her direction and she just

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screamed out of there and even as a

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young girl growing up initially in

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strange creatures so even from an early

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she was plagued for one of the better

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words of paranormal currencies yeah yeah

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it definitely seems that way

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and with halloween here coming up and

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there there was a saying that really

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freaked me out in the book amanda

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was fast asleep when patricia heard her

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say the devil's secret service or at

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it really did seem a group of other

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worldly entities were on a mission

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against this family is the drama

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continuing with them and have you had

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any ideas as to what the phrase might

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devil's secret service that that has a

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number of connotations

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you could tread down any alleyway

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looking to

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see an answer for that um but certainly

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since the book has been published that

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the phenomenon hasn't truly stopped you

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know there's still been instances where

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they've seen these bizarre creatures i

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mean some of them

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were only about 15 centimeters in height

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and um they they've been scratched on

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their bodies they've been nipped have

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introduction to the book ryan that a lot

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of readers will just think this is a

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story that's just simply been made up

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and i can't

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you know say enough that this is not the

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case absolutely not the case

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families throughout this the planet of

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ours going through similar

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experiences who don't have a voice to

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share that and the mainstay of the book

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is um for amanda and patricia to get

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this story out was just to say look

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this has happened to us and if anybody

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has this experience in their lives

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please go to a paranormal researcher or

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whatever and try and get some help and

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because it's one of these situations

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ryan you know um people say well who do

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i go to do until i go to my local doctor

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do do i go to the police uh you know how

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do you deal with this

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and um thankfully she was one of the

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many people who as i said earlier who's

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came on the facebook and and you know

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asked for some help yeah yeah absolutely

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and you did help and and there are

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portions of the book where it

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others helped as well and some of them

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almost beyond the veil in a portion of

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to face with a priest in a long robe can

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amazing experience and who that priest

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may have been

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she was visiting her mother in hospital

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and um there was a priest that came in

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it was very caring and he said you know

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a lot of nice things to both a man and

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her mother and

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then it it you know we left the room we

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went down the corridor and disappeared

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then another minister another priest

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came in and they said oh we've already

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spoken to someone who did you speak to

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and they described this priest

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and he says well i've never passed

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anybody in the corridor nobody has

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passed me in the corridor and there's

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only one way out amazing and um so we

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don't know who this priest was you know

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the dynamics of virginia i'm sorry of

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the patricia and amanda's experience

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doesn't just go with them even their own

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family members and their mothers and

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fathers and you know aunties and uncles

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have all had paranormal experiences so

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it seems as if it runs through the

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family uh with all these bizarre

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experiences and even when she was a

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young girl she was on uh she was on a

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trip and the silver lake incident i

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describe it in the book yeah where she

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was with uh another girl when they

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and suddenly when they came back

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everybody was wondering what is going on

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because they had you know a couple of

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hours missing time and they couldn't

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the police and everybody was looking for

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they were walking in the woods they

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described two typical men in black you

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that's all they can really remember

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they're not sure if there was an

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abduction experience on that particular

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occasion but it seemed so intense so

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bizarre these men continually stared in

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their direction you know and it must

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have been quite frightening for for

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these kids

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oh i can only imagine especially at that

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age

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and i love men in black uh scenarios but

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there are a few

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dark things in the book a few times in

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the book ouija boards are mentioned

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and although patricia and amanda did not

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use ouija boards what place do you

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believe they have regarding the

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paranormal

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well ouija boards for sure do work

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absolutely um yeah i mean we used to use

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them in our investigations many years

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ago through our society and um they are

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they can cause fear and alarm i mean for

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sure but i believe

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that what's controlling ouija boards are

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what we call lower astral entities

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people who will masquerade as your

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auntie who will masquerade as your uncle

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and pretend that their your uncle harry

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or your auntie uh helen etc and they you

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know they can cause fear and alarm

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there's no denying that that the ouija

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board does work as does table tilting

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and i've seen all this myself sure and

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although amanda and patricia really

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wanted answers to who was behind these

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disturbances in their home

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and when they visited friends and they

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partook of an ouija board sales for one

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of a better word a whole straight a lot

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of strange things happening you know

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they saw these orbs of light manifest

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themselves in the room and go through

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walls etc so it was quite a troubling

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experience for them yeah yeah

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definitely yeah it was it's it's a very

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good explanation of what took place with

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the ouija boards in the book uh moving

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on malcolm ufo abductions weren't off

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the menu in this book and i was

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wondering if we could touch on some of

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the more wild abduction events for

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listeners

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yeah i mean there's a there's a case

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that i describe in the book where amanda

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and patricia went through

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an abduction experience more so patricia

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um she's still unclear whether it was a

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dream or it really happened and and many

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abductees say that you know that they're

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not sure if it truly was a dream right

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but she came back with some dirt and in

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her toes you know and she certainly

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didn't go to bed with dirt in her toes

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but the strange and

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unbelievable aspect of this particular

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abduction was that um she found herself

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in this this cottage

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um she didn't know how she got there and

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she was terrified you know and she

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eventually was told that this cottage

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was in the outskirts of a german town

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called beden baden

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and then she suddenly saw this light

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beam come through the window and she

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feels as if she was taking uh taking on

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board some object or other the thing

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that puzzles me ryan is that you know

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why was she dispatched in bed and baiden

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because when she woke up she was back in

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her own bed and that what that's what

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makes her think that maybe this was just

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some dream but with the dirt between her

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toes and the the intensity of this

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recall

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was just so much and there's no denying

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that we have um ufo abductions ongoing

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in this planet just now the problem i

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have ryan is why

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exactly people say fellow researchers

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say that it said they're trying to get

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spare man over from mankind and to

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rebuild this dying

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you know planet it's it's hard to

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believe really but my point is

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surely surely

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they have enough genetic material that

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is the grace that they don't need

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to re-abduct people to take people from

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the comfort of their own beds etc or in

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some instances cars etc surely they have

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that information some people have

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suggested is it possibly they're looking

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into your soul they don't these greys

384
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don't have souls they're trying to find

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out what is the chemistry what is a

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makeup what is the build up behind human

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beings when i started off ryan i started

388
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off to disprove all these subjects you

389
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know ghosts porter guys ufos i honestly

390
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felt that there were no validity in

391
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these claims at all but it's like

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anything else in life

393
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once you get your hands dirty once you

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physically meet people and put yourself

395
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in these environments then you can

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clearly see

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that there is a ufo presence ongoing

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throughout this planet of ours um for me

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personally i don't think for instance

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that the greys or any alien race helped

401
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mankind build the pyramids or they

402
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placed the stones in cusco or any of

403
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these places as well we don't give

404
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enough credence to ancient man and his

405
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ingenuity he never had netflix he never

406
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had any

407
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you know these new technologies today he

408
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just had himself his mind and the layer

409
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of the land and his ingenuity to either

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build stonehenge or the pyramids etc

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amen but getting back to the main point

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is that not only were these um

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against manifestations and orbs

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occurring in patricia's home she also

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saw aerial craft um

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probably about a half a mile to a mile

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away from her home

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in dublin and these aerial craft did not

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conform to any conventional aircraft

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design or helicopter design that we

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currently know these were really weird

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uh objects

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sometimes these objects conformed it was

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just like colored balls of light which

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would appear

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above her garage

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and shed outside in her back garden and

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these were witnessed these were

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witnessed by you know other people as

430
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well so it's not just patricia and

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amanda who have uh the recall of this

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their testimony has been backed up by by

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neighbours as well yeah

434
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that's right i thought that was very

435
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interesting and the

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baden-baden-germany experience i thought

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the hand drawings in the book were

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really amazing and in particular

439
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the home in baden-baden the detail with

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which that was drawn was just

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amazing astounding

442
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a very odd description in the book

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involved

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well another priest

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a real priest who was unwilling to give

446
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a confession did anything ever come of

447
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that i know the book said that the other

448
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priests were shocked and that seemed

449
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very odd to me and i wondered

450
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if people

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even including priests were just plain

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scared to hear what patricia had to say

453
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well it's a strange one for sure because

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you know no priest should deny anybody

455
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who wants that to who comes to him

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for that and to be turned away and told

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that you're not getting it was was

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pretty distressing for patricia for sure

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um we don't know clearly if he did that

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with every subject it came to him but i

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guess

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possibly because of what patricia was

463
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relaying to and what was occurring in

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the family home that he maybe felt that

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this was something of the devil and he

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didn't want to get involved but having

467
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said that you know men of the cloth are

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there to help

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people uh irrespective of what you know

470
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religion you are surely they're there to

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help their fellow man

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and to turn patricia away from

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confession

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was was pretty dreadful i think for sure

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yeah it seemed harsh and another thing

476
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as well ryan um we also had uh saint

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faustina and that is a lady of the

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club just instantly appeared

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on patricia's television set as well you

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know and she was holding this uh this

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bible this book

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and the image just suddenly disappeared

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as well yeah i mean admittedly you know

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when it comes to writing books and when

485
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it comes to writing about people's

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stories

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you as an individual are not there to

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see that yourselves you know i'm at a

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distance i'm here in scotland and

490
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learning all about this over in ireland

491
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but i'm taking at face value the honesty

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and the integrity of both amanda and

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patricia and i firmly honestly god ryan

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i firmly believe that they

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saw what they saw uh sadly it's still

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transparent transpiring

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um we're trying to see if we can get

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anybody else to

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provide them help them with the bless

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their home with holy water and they have

501
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a special prayers to say at night as

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well

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that the help of both patricia and amman

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does not see good as well and whether

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that's a a contribute to the factory

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factor in regards to what they've been

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seeing

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may well be the case you know absolutely

509
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i mean the other thing as well

510
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is that their dog blaze um they have a

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family dog and he's reacted

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quite substantially to things unseen

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in the family bedroom you know he's been

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staring at the ceiling he's been barking

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and as you probably well know ryan um

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animals have this great capacity to see

517
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into the spirit world to see this other

518
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etheric realm for one of a better world

519
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we humans are her sight and her hearing

520
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,039
can only go so far that's right as

521
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animals so they have a higher frequency

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to see

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things that we will never see

524
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so um you know obviously their dog has

525
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:42,480
picked up things in the family home as

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well

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absolutely

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and that i'm i'm always in awe at how

529
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well animals can

530
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as bio sensors can

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tap into that so much sooner um it it's

532
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it's remarkable delving deeper into some

533
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of the more religious aspects of the

534
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book

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a divine mercy picture of jesus flew off

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the wall in one instance and without

537
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,240
giving too much away can we explain what

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00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,919
happened a bit for our listeners with

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that event

540
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yeah i mean it basically they're just

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amanda

542
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patricia was just sitting in their

543
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family home just sitting in the living

544
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room and they have this picture above

545
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the fireplace and started to vibrate

546
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then it started to leave the wall of

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which it was on you know it was hanging

548
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by a string and a nail attached to the

549
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wall but this it left

550
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the the string left the nail and it kind

551
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of floated out several centimeters from

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from the wall and started just that just

553
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crashed into into onto the floor uh

554
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there's no way humanly possible in that

555
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manner that it should come away from the

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wall

557
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you know kind of move about as if it's

558
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doing a little jig if there's a little

559
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,000
dance and it just crashed to the floor

560
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,320
and it was like is that people two

561
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,960
invisible people were holding each of

562
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,200
this uh big framed photograph and it

563
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,480
just crashed to the floor and you know

564
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,240
these are just one of many many

565
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,960
instances where the the phenomena has

566
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,200
appeared in the family home and it's

567
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,159
quite disturbing to them for sure and at

568
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,080
the end of the day i just felt that you

569
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,400
know with all that was going on

570
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,520
this storyline had to be told

571
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,840
and this story had to be told in book

572
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,080
form so that other people can you know

573
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,480
look at this and the beauty of the the

574
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,200
book as well ryan is that it backs up

575
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,280
with other people from the united

576
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,080
kingdom and elsewhere who have had their

577
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,120
own hat man experiences their own shadow

578
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,799
people experiences

579
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,480
and um it's

580
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,720
doing the research for this book it was

581
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,400
quite incredible because

582
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,720
i soon realized that this hat man

583
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:55,840
phenomena the shadow people are is far

584
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,880
far more prevalent than i ever thought

585
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,720
they are a difference you know when we

586
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,720
talk about ghosts and spirits you know

587
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,240
normally these are the people who have

588
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:06,559
passed on but i believe with the the

589
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,159
shadow people and the hatman these

590
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,000
appear to be totally different a

591
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,799
separate entity um i was asked the other

592
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,840
day if i felt you know there could be

593
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,520
demons i don't know about that because

594
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,240
certainly they the hat man for all his

595
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,039
nastiness he doesn't as far as i'm led

596
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,159
to believe he doesn't interact

597
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,440
with the

598
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,000
the people he just stands

599
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,200
silently and stares at the people

600
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,080
the other entities that's been appearing

601
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,480
in the family home have actually and it

602
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,000
sounds incredible i'm sure your

603
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,080
listeners will find it strange and

604
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,799
bizarre but they have also woken up by

605
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,760
these horrible creatures and in the bed

606
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,159
with them right scratching them and

607
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
holding them and

608
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,240
that takes the whole subject to a

609
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,559
different level because when we look at

610
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,480
the paranormal when we look at ghosts

611
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,120
and poltergeists and although they can

612
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,520
be quite frightening what the public

613
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,000
really get to know is that um

614
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,279
there is a nastier side to the

615
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,159
paranormal you know potter guys can

616
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,159
scratch people i've you know i'm aware

617
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,919
of that in other cases

618
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,960
and what was going on in this home in

619
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,720
dublin near dublin

620
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:25,840
was of the badr variety it was not very

621
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,880
pleasant at all absolutely it wasn't

622
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,360
and that entity that you mentioned in

623
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,919
the book and uh that it made various

624
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,080
appearances the hat man

625
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,159
um can we explain to listeners who are

626
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,320
not familiar with this entity just how

627
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,720
widespread it is and

628
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,320
typically uh

629
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,320
it does come into people's rooms is that

630
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,320
correct

631
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,799
yeah i mean it's uh some people may say

632
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:53,120
they think it's a ghost but it's like a

633
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,240
misty

634
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:55,600
forum

635
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,880
know you can see the shoulders the the

636
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,679
the legs i don't think uh patricia and

637
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,840
amanda ever recall seeing any feet

638
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,120
admittedly

639
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,320
and um it has a kind of black face like

640
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,799
there's no face there and it wears like

641
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,440
a trilby or a fedora hat and it

642
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,200
generally just stands in the corner of

643
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,720
the room and just stares at you

644
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,000
constantly and um when you ask the

645
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,400
question is it how prevalent it is

646
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,400
very much so you know we have cases

647
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,600
coming from

648
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,520
america from canada

649
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,720
from brazil from south america australia

650
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,440
and um these cases can be found on the

651
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,440
internet you know there's a lady who

652
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,600
wrote extensively about the hat man a

653
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,000
lady called heidi hollis i believe her

654
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,640
name is and she has written a book about

655
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,600
it as well

656
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,159
yeah it's an amazing entity

657
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,640
fascinating

658
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,360
the hat hatman is something that uh i've

659
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,360
it had people tell me about believe it

660
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,120
or not even my own mother has had some

661
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,799
instances with it so it's something i

662
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,720
definitely believe in

663
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,279
moving on malcolm at one point in the

664
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,480
book um the military aspect to all of

665
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,000
this is brought up

666
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,720
and what proved very interesting was

667
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,440
some seemingly clandestine military

668
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,080
involvement which included patricia and

669
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,320
amanda seemingly having their phone

670
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,000
tapped and having people who were

671
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,919
apparently military doing some

672
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,600
surveillance on them can we get into

673
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,679
that a bit

674
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,279
yeah for sure

675
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,039
on one occasion they looked outside

676
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,120
their home and they saw a military

677
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,080
helicopters uh they saw what they

678
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,880
described as range rover vans parts in

679
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,640
their in the street

680
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,799
and they you know you get to know when

681
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,960
you live in a location you get to know

682
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,960
the normal cars that sit outside your

683
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,760
house and these were like a sore thumb

684
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,679
right he's like a fly in the ointment

685
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,039
they should not have been there they

686
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,559
look so conspicuous you know and um she

687
00:28:03,269 --> 00:27:59,919
does believe that these were possibly if

688
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,279
not military uh or local police or

689
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,960
people who were just

690
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,520
in the area either you know tapping

691
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,320
their phones as well uh or trying to get

692
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,320
more information about what was going on

693
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,919
in the family home

694
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,000
but there clearly there was

695
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,679
they should not have been there

696
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,080
these vehicles have never been seen

697
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,880
there uh before or since

698
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,279
right that's a head that's a heads up

699
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,919
definitely a red flag of sorts

700
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,559
and um i believe there was an instance

701
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,799
where she spoke with someone i wanted to

702
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,720
say at an airfield possibly and they

703
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,880
told her not to tell anyone about her

704
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,960
sightings is that correct

705
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,720
yeah that's correct uh i think it was

706
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,679
baldono earthfield um she went to speak

707
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,679
to someone somebody there about the

708
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,000
strange objects it was she was seeing in

709
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,159
the sky and it was quite an interesting

710
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,399
response she caught she got back from

711
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,440
one of the

712
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,520
personnel there on the base that said

713
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,600
that once he learned about what patricia

714
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,320
had been seeing um it just said you

715
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,799
should not be talking about this uh when

716
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,320
she pushed him for a wee bit more

717
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,120
information he just left it uh and of

718
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,840
course that's kind of typical from uh

719
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,880
the air force not just an island but of

720
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:14,720
cour right across europe you know you

721
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,159
try your best to get people to to come

722
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,559
forward with the stories i mean back in

723
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,520
2001 in america the the press club where

724
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,200
they had all the generals they had the

725
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,919
navy they had the air force these were

726
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,240
men of military achievements all the

727
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,320
bread on their chests and they were

728
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,039
there to talk about their own ufo

729
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,440
sightings about ufos about silos

730
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
switching off the the rockets etc and i

731
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,480
dropped my hands drying i thought yes it

732
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,240
lasted we've got the

733
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,159
the cream of the crop you know we've got

734
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,200
these people who it's gonna blow the lid

735
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,399
of the ufo phenomena and sadly once they

736
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,440
portrayed in their testimony it was

737
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,679
yesterday's news you know it was like

738
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,240
gone and forgotten about and

739
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,039
even um earlier this year when um the

740
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,480
pentagon released the the tic tac videos

741
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,799
you know from the fighter pilots

742
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,440
dispatch from the uss nimitz of course

743
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,559
and um that footage was quite incredible

744
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,960
and i've been asked many times you know

745
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,279
as an extraterrestrial

746
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,279
what we have to bear in mind is that a

747
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:23,440
lot of this stuff that's flying in our

748
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,440
skies is our own black budget technology

749
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,279
the stealth aircraft was flying in

750
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,919
america for a good number of years

751
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,600
before they put their hands up the

752
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,320
military machine says it's ours that's

753
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,559
right but that gave rise in that

754
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,600
timeline it gave rise to many false ufo

755
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,240
reports and i've said before you know

756
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:47,120
we're talking about 95

757
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,399
of all ufo reports of natural

758
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,559
identifiable solutions the five percent

759
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,840
that remain

760
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,159
three percent of that as i said could be

761
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,399
our own black budget aircraft you know

762
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:01,279
the stealth the aurora the black tier

763
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:02,399
blackbird

764
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:06,399
and um so the two percent that remain

765
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,679
one percent could be a rare atmospheric

766
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,840
phenomena something akin to ball

767
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,080
lightning which some people might think

768
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:17,519
wow is that is that a ufo and it's not

769
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,880
you know the fly in the ointment the one

770
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:22,159
percent

771
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,360
for me

772
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,799
personally

773
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,919
is that we're dealing with bonafide a

774
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,440
real life

775
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,399
vehicles which i believe personally do

776
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:35,039
not necessarily and come from planet

777
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,000
earth

778
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,919
what i mean by that is

779
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,559
that it could be dimensional i think i

780
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,440
go along with a jacques vallee the the

781
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,480
french

782
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,120
scientists and researcher he's right

783
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,200
into the dimensions and i think that's

784
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,840
possibly where the answer lies in the

785
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,159
subatomic physics the quarks and

786
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
neutrinos um you know it's i think the

787
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:59,200
answer certainly lies there

788
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:02,640
equally we have to remember the fact

789
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:05,679
that many ufos have been seen entering

790
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,200
and exiting the oceans of this planet

791
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,559
and um so maybe maybe they have bases

792
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,600
under the oceans of this planet

793
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,159
because we know more about the surface

794
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,640
of the moon than what's under our oceans

795
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,640
and that's an incredible fact and the

796
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,360
mariana trench is hardly been looked at

797
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,000
so maybe just maybe and it's pure

798
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,000
speculation you know maybe they're

799
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,320
already here but have bases

800
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,600
uh in the oceans of this world the the

801
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,240
big contender the big question

802
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,880
certainly a question i can answer is

803
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,399
why why

804
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,760
don't they openly say we are here there

805
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,480
must be an agenda line there must be a

806
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,159
reason for why

807
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,799
we don't have full contact

808
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,760
yes people have been abducted etc and

809
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,240
put through traumatic experiences

810
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,880
yes females have been re-abducted and

811
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,080
shown headless half-human half alien

812
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,919
hybrid childs

813
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,720
and

814
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,399
telepathically

815
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,760
the messages

816
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,679
that's part of you

817
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,919
so is this some form of genetic

818
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,840
inter-breeding program

819
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,159
it's hard to say it's been going on for

820
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,679
way too long

821
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,760
and just moving back obviously to

822
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,799
patricia amanda i mean they too had

823
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,200
these horrible creatures not just the

824
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,519
hat man and shadow people but these

825
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,760
small gray beings and these hideous

826
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,519
little creatures coming into their

827
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,360
family home as well

828
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,559
is that part and parcel of the ufo

829
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,679
situation or is that a separate entity

830
00:33:44,909 --> 00:33:42,720
as these

831
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,919
coming from somewhere else not even

832
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,600
associated with the flying saucer

833
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,399
mystery and that's what makes this job

834
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,519
of mine so fascinating because um we

835
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,360
don't hold all the cards you know we

836
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,519
don't have all the answers

837
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,519
i am not an expert

838
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,399
absolutely i'm not an expert i know next

839
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,559
to nothing i've been dealing with this

840
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,519
wonderful subject for over 40 years and

841
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,440
now all i've got is a

842
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,320
a handful of speculations you know um

843
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,679
but the thing is

844
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,919
the phenomena does not appear to be

845
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,919
abating in any way shape or form you

846
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,119
know ufo sightings are on the increase

847
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:23,919
uh here in scotland as a nation uh we've

848
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,200
been touched by the ufo presence

849
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,679
considerably you know and i could speak

850
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,720
about that

851
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,320
at length so it's it's a big problem um

852
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,760
and it's one that

853
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,399
is certainly on the increase i agree 100

854
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,040
percent and scotland is

855
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,520
quite a bit of a ufo hotspot and i can't

856
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,440
agree more with you on your theory like

857
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,440
you said speculation

858
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,480
um i think many would argue that you are

859
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,399
you've put a lot more time into this

860
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,839
than many of us

861
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,359
and um i agree 100 that the oceans hold

862
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,160
many secrets to this aspect and i mean

863
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,400
the mariana trench as you mentioned i'm

864
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,440
in a hundred percent agreeance that

865
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,599
uh there's something going on there i i

866
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,640
recently found out from a source that

867
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,760
the

868
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,079
uh intelligence naval intelligence as

869
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,480
well as the air force have monitoring

870
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,640
stations that keep an eye on the mariana

871
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,720
trench and why would they be doing this

872
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,960
if there wasn't something uh cases and

873
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,359
beyond that were of interest to them so

874
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,560
i agree there's

875
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,920
there's proof

876
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,160
but it's it's difficult it's difficult

877
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,240
to confirm it and and i think that's why

878
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,520
it's good to do some speculation because

879
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,280
i think where there's smoke there's fire

880
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,880
and there's definitely a lot of smoke

881
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,599
here

882
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,040
uh

883
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,440
the military aspect is very interesting

884
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,880
to all this

885
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,640
and

886
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,040
anyway getting back to

887
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,000
patricia and amanda a great instance of

888
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,640
proof in the book is that various

889
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,720
friends confirm patricia's and amanda's

890
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,560
bizarre events everything from next door

891
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,880
neighbors to others did this come as a

892
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,200
surprise to you or was it just something

893
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,000
that you found along your research

894
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,079
yeah it's something i found along my

895
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,440
research and

896
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,200
you know obviously i needed to speak to

897
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,560
these people or email or at very the

898
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,000
very least get in touch with these

899
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,640
people to find out if that was true

900
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,119
and i found out that yes it was true you

901
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,520
know the next door neighbor and he saw a

902
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,200
lot of strange things happening in the

903
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:26,960
family home as well we certainly saw a

904
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
lot of orbs appear etc and um a friend

905
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,839
an honourable friend of patricia and

906
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,320
she's had a lot of things happening in

907
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,880
her house as well and that's mentioned

908
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,119
in the book and it's like as if when the

909
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,079
two ladies get together

910
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,000
that's when the explosion of the

911
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,320
paranormal phenomena occur

912
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,359
and um that's why it was beneficial that

913
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,560
i got in touch to find out for sure that

914
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,640
um you know they were backing up each

915
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,520
other's story um but yeah it lends a lot

916
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,119
of credence ryan it lends a lot of

917
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,440
credence when the neighbors and family

918
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,880
friends

919
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,800
have seen what patricia and amanda have

920
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,000
seen

921
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,240
absolutely and um i i liked that the

922
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,400
book wasn't entirely

923
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,800
uh formulated around patricia and amanda

924
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,560
even though they did get the lion's

925
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,839
share of

926
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,800
writing

927
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,880
there were others in the book who

928
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,560
complained of attacks from shadowy

929
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,040
entities and sightings of the hatman as

930
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,359
you mentioned can we get into some of

931
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,520
those other

932
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,760
entities such as the slenderman which

933
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,800
have been seen by many

934
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,560
yeah it was a strange one because

935
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,480
obviously that's uh that's a movie isn't

936
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:42,079
it

937
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,320
who was um he's a fellow researcher a

938
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,440
nice guy

939
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,079
and um he was taking a team of people

940
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,680
down this um this ancient kinna

941
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,880
building

942
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,960
and this this young boy suddenly

943
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,359
screamed out in terror and my friend

944
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:03,119
said to him well what what's the matter

945
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,640
what you're looking at and he said

946
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,200
slenderman slenderman he said no no

947
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,720
that's a fictionalized thing that's

948
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,040
something that's been on the television

949
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,839
and movies and he says no look and um i

950
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,000
can't remember if my colleague said he

951
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,119
saw him but clearly this young boy

952
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,680
certainly saw something and he described

953
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,800
him as you know over 9 10 feet tall very

954
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,599
slender of course and then he scared the

955
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,079
bejesus out of him you know

956
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,680
and

957
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,680
some people claim to have seen uh the

958
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,359
slender man as well but you don't know

959
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,359
if that's a folk tale a tale of a tale

960
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,720
of a tale type of thing but my colleague

961
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,400
mentioned to me says malcolm at least

962
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,200
this week um this boy clearly saw

963
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,960
something and he was terrified he

964
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,760
wouldn't go back down there you know

965
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,079
absolutely it is a scary the thing is as

966
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,920
well i should also point out that when i

967
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:56,240
ask patricia and amanda what they

968
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,440
believe

969
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,320
is going on well they they think that

970
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,800
the the greys are both positive and

971
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,280
negative you know that there's some good

972
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,520
ones or some bad ones they actually call

973
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,480
them the sky family and uh they see

974
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,400
these objects in the sky

975
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,880
and i mean i like any research line we

976
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,760
have to ensure that um what's in the sky

977
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,079
is meant to be in the sky so we check

978
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,040
with airports local national airports we

979
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,200
check with the police to see if other

980
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,520
members of the public has come forward

981
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,760
with their own tales of

982
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,240
something in the sky so we dot the eyes

983
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,920
and cross your teeth and try and find

984
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,079
out you know if there any rational

985
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,240
explanation to account for what's going

986
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,560
on but i think they

987
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,680
they feel themselves patricia amanda

988
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,040
feels that they

989
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,079
that there's something to do with our

990
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,200
that is mankind's dna and this is why

991
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:52,880
they believe they've been having these

992
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,599
visits it's some form of interacting not

993
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,240
very nice for sure and they're looking

994
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,680
as if they're taking dna from patricia

995
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,839
and amanda it sounds

996
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,079
sounds very hollywood it sounds

997
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,240
outrageous but you know that's what they

998
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,119
themselves believe that's going on

999
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,520
and i think that's important it's

1000
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,440
important to know what they believe and

1001
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,599
what they think because they are the

1002
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,160
ones that are being involved with this

1003
00:40:26,589 --> 00:40:23,440
and it does seem to me that there seems

1004
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,599
to be a dna aspect a bloodline aspect of

1005
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:28,560
bioentanglement or

1006
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,280
interconnection of life systems

1007
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,160
and they have an interesting bloodline

1008
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:36,720
themselves don't they uh going back uh

1009
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,000
to uh i believe it was was it their

1010
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,880
the gypsy grandmother is that correct

1011
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,599
yeah let's say it's uh it's a gypsy

1012
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,400
grandmother as well you know and they

1013
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,720
were kind of being gypsies they had the

1014
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,200
second sight as well so that seems to

1015
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,520
have came along the family tree as well

1016
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,079
to present day where both patricia and

1017
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,040
amanda have this ability to to know

1018
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,520
things and interact things and see

1019
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:06,319
things so there is this uh there is this

1020
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,160
family tree history going back to um

1021
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,560
the gypsy inner link for sure yeah

1022
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,880
i thought that was very interesting

1023
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,400
and that

1024
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,720
that that's kind of been uh

1025
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,560
many people have said that and had

1026
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,440
theories along those lines that dna

1027
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,200
has something to do with it and that

1028
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,760
this this is passed down from generation

1029
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,359
to generation and

1030
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,920
whatever these other life systems are

1031
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,440
they

1032
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,520
get involved with some kind of bio

1033
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,680
entanglement with certain individuals

1034
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,640
who

1035
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,560
have i guess it would be a gift or a

1036
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,680
curse

1037
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,400
um some would call it you know people

1038
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,119
who in the past were shamans or witches

1039
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,720
things of that nature have you come

1040
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,880
across any other instances such as

1041
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,160
theirs where

1042
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,520
this seems to follow the bloodline

1043
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,920
i'm not personally but i'm aware of

1044
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,240
other researchers in their cases as well

1045
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,079
you know that has this kind of bloodline

1046
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:04,240
it takes them back to

1047
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,400
um people of a gypsy heritage or or a

1048
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,480
second seer kind of thing you know that

1049
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:12,880
type of thing but um there were also

1050
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,920
virus friends and amazing berber descent

1051
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,200
as well as

1052
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,000
i should point out which in itself is

1053
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,640
quite interesting you know because that

1054
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:23,440
that

1055
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,960
kind of family tree as well is quite uh

1056
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,400
paranormal

1057
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,079
as well when you look back into the

1058
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,640
history of those that kind of religion

1059
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,839
yes

1060
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,160
and there were instances in the book

1061
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:38,880
where um for lack of a better words

1062
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,839
strange marks in the shapes of triangles

1063
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,119
were found

1064
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,480
on them when they would awake and was it

1065
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,480
during these times that they believed

1066
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,240
that they were having their dna taken or

1067
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,920
that abduction experiences may have

1068
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,160
taken place

1069
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,200
yeah um that's correct there were marks

1070
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,280
found on both their bodies as well and

1071
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:01,680
they believed that these marks were the

1072
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,359
result of something being taken um from

1073
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,839
their body i mean we all know our bodies

1074
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,599
are going to shower we're going to bath

1075
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,160
we know that all our imperfections but

1076
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,560
these just suddenly appeared one day and

1077
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,359
um so and and they they do believe that

1078
00:43:20,860 --> 00:43:20,160
that was something happening that night

1079
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,870
that um

1080
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,000
[Music]

1081
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,920
it was taken further from their body be

1082
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,160
it dna be anything else but that's what

1083
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,359
they believe for sure yeah yeah amazing

1084
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,200
and um

1085
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,079
something else i lastly before we start

1086
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,319
wrapping up i wanted to just uh tell

1087
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,520
listeners that you really do go into the

1088
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,400
debunking aspect from a skeptical uh

1089
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,119
slant you come from a skeptical slant

1090
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,480
and i liked how you mentioned the uh the

1091
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,920
various things that it could or could

1092
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,960
not be

1093
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,760
and how these cases are beyond sleep

1094
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,480
paralysis what what are your thoughts

1095
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,040
as i i really appreciated that that at

1096
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:01,520
the end of the book you explained um all

1097
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,640
of the different things it could be

1098
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,200
hallucinations olafactory

1099
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,400
very very in-depth but this these cases

1100
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,160
are beyond sleep paralysis what are your

1101
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,599
thoughts to

1102
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,599
what has been taking place and and what

1103
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,440
possibly patricia and amanda are

1104
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,680
undergoing

1105
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,280
yeah i mean um

1106
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,599
any researcher what they're so has to

1107
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,400
look at other aspects of a phenomena

1108
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,960
does it have a natural explanation and

1109
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,880
with any book i write i always try to

1110
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,560
look over the fence and give the other

1111
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,240
side of the coin ryan it's very

1112
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,720
important not to be one-sided

1113
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,119
and when i asked you know patricia

1114
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
amanda if they would

1115
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
give me their permission to really give

1116
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,640
a skeptical slant on on their

1117
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,720
experiences they clearly said yeah

1118
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,280
malcolm absolutely you just do what you

1119
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,119
have to do we're just pleased to get

1120
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,960
this story off our chest

1121
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:53,359
and so yeah i looked at a whole range of

1122
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,040
different things that may big word may

1123
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,920
be uh the result of that and one of the

1124
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,680
you know one of these situations where

1125
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,599
sleep paralysis

1126
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,160
this feeling of being unable to move or

1127
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,960
speak and being being conscious of one's

1128
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,359
surroundings feeling that something or

1129
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,119
someone's in the room

1130
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,920
and we also have narcolepsy

1131
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,040
you know excessive daytime sleepiness

1132
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,480
taxi sleep

1133
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
uh sudden loss of muscle tone uh we have

1134
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,520
night terrors all these things other

1135
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,000
people have experienced you know night

1136
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,319
terrors of screaming out loudly

1137
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,520
thrashing kicking about the covers um

1138
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,720
strange behavior we also have um the

1139
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,359
exploding head syndrome it sounds very

1140
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,599
bizarre yes yes thankfully your head

1141
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:43,760
does not explode but what that is

1142
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,319
effectively is the hearing of loud

1143
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:48,000
noises

1144
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,000
see a strong flash of light um a look at

1145
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,880
parasomnia we looked at hallucinations

1146
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,359
both visual auditory tactile

1147
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:00,880
hallucinations

1148
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319
and um you know we also looked at a hoax

1149
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,880
and i said to patricia and amanda says

1150
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,839
look

1151
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,520
gloria asked this question

1152
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,760
are you telling the truth are you making

1153
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,839
up this story just to get rehoused to

1154
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,599
get a better house you know you've

1155
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,839
perhaps you've tried everything to get

1156
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,240
out this family home you can't do it so

1157
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:22,079
you're making up this scenario to get

1158
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,200
rehoused

1159
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,440
and then thankfully this is no malcolm

1160
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,160
you know that we wouldn't dream of that

1161
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,359
and um so i was quite pleased that uh

1162
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,920
that that was not a hoax you know i also

1163
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,000
asked if it was um they were doing it

1164
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,079
for money is it monetary gain are you

1165
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,319
looking to sell your story and to the

1166
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,480
national tabloids and you're looking to

1167
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,920
go on radio and they said not at all

1168
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,920
malcolm not at all we are not making

1169
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,240
this up we are giving you this story

1170
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,880
free of charge we don't want paid in any

1171
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,680
way shape or form we're prepared to go

1172
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,000
under hypnosis we're prepared to take

1173
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,880
lie detector tests because we know that

1174
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,599
they said to me malcolm we know this

1175
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,000
story sounds bizarre we know that people

1176
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,839
will find this hard to believe but we

1177
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,359
want to

1178
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,480
ensure that people understand

1179
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,400
the terror that we've been going through

1180
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,119
and the the avenues were tread down to

1181
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,040
try and alleviate this

1182
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,640
i think it's so

1183
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,559
it sounds bizarre but i think i've come

1184
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,480
to kind of terms with it a wee bit now

1185
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,319
even though it's not so good

1186
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,359
um they've come to to to accept it but

1187
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,599
having said that i don't feel they

1188
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,480
should

1189
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:35,760
accept that this is an intrusion on

1190
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,720
their daily lives which um you know it

1191
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,480
needs to be addressed and needs to be

1192
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,599
sorted

1193
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,119
at the moment i'm trying to see if we

1194
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,359
can get any field investigators to a

1195
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,839
system in ireland to go along

1196
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,480
and the fear factor i have is because

1197
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,119
the house has been blessed uh

1198
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,119
nothing seems to have changed ryan you

1199
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,200
know it's like well you can bless it

1200
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,440
every day and all day but it's still

1201
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,800
going to be there

1202
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,520
and

1203
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,559
this is the main problem is trying to

1204
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,960
gain some semblance of a normal life for

1205
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,280
patricia and amanda so that they can

1206
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,960
live out their lives peacefully and

1207
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,760
respectively um people might say well

1208
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,920
why don't they move to another part of

1209
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,880
ireland or come to great britain

1210
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,200
you know what i i think the phenomena

1211
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,839
may still follow them because sometimes

1212
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,359
that is the case

1213
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:28,400
um admittedly um i did say to you and

1214
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,480
it's in the book ryan it says like okay

1215
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,720
tell the hat and your shadow people to

1216
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,599
come and see me come and see me malcolm

1217
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,000
robinson and because i'm one of these

1218
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,559
guys ryan who liked to get that evidence

1219
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:45,280
yesterday you know i wanted hands right

1220
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,400
in that tool of the paranormal pill

1221
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,520
and

1222
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,760
i was quite disappointed actually when

1223
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,240
nothing happened she says malcolm

1224
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,440
i tried i i told them to go to you but

1225
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,880
nothing happened

1226
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,160
and um

1227
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,119
maybe one day that you know i may see

1228
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,359
something like that the thing is what

1229
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
your listeners need to be aware of that

1230
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,760
the paranormal has touched me in other

1231
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,839
ways you know i've had my hair pulled by

1232
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,160
spirit i've been kicked by spirit i've

1233
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,280
seen a chest of drawers rise up into

1234
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,680
there float across the room and drop at

1235
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,640
my feet wow i i've seen so many

1236
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,040
paranormal events in my life that i'm

1237
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,680
now convinced of the validity

1238
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,079
of life after death i've spoken to

1239
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,319
clinical physicians people in near-death

1240
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,680
experiences

1241
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,880
and i don't believe that it's all oxygen

1242
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,359
starvation to the brain seeing this

1243
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,160
bright tunnel etc i think there's far

1244
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,800
far more to it than that ryan you know

1245
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,800
and the the evidence for life after

1246
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,520
death is absolutely overwhelming

1247
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,920
um yes there's the skeptics and

1248
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,760
charlatans and all that out there of

1249
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,440
course there is you know you get bad

1250
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,359
police officers you get good police

1251
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,599
officers you know and anyway

1252
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,640
but there were for me over 40 odd years

1253
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,520
of talking to people and whittling away

1254
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,520
all the nonsense like a big sieve right

1255
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,200
like a big seven you're shaking all the

1256
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,599
dirt through the that serve

1257
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,839
you're left with these kernels these

1258
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,160
nuggets it would go through the wire

1259
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:18,960
mesh of this the serve these for me are

1260
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,240
the paranormal cases that excite me the

1261
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,599
uh position amanda's case you know um i

1262
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,760
just wish i could i could help them you

1263
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,599
know it's okay writing a book about it

1264
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,280
and telling the world and telling your

1265
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,359
good self and your lovely listeners ryan

1266
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:35,119
right but i just wish we could do

1267
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,000
something more and fingers crossed maybe

1268
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,160
in the months they follow we can do that

1269
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,520
absolutely

1270
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,760
well you've done a great service in my

1271
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,680
opinion in writing the book and they

1272
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:48,240
have really as you said left no stone

1273
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,520
unturned

1274
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:51,440
they've they've had everything from

1275
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:55,599
mormon ministers to druids priests

1276
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,960
spiritual mediums shamans buddhists hari

1277
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,160
krishna

1278
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:02,640
a great list is explained in the book

1279
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,720
that they have they have definitely

1280
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,119
asked for help wherever they can

1281
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,400
and this this seems to continue um

1282
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,800
before we wrap up malcolm i just wanted

1283
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,559
to say thank you for all your books and

1284
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,640
all your paranormal research and

1285
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,720
involvement in the field and i also

1286
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,280
wanted to ask so listeners know where

1287
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,040
they can purchase your books where they

1288
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,040
can support your efforts get in touch

1289
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,000
with spi etc

1290
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,160
yeah and you can

1291
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,720
receive my books from amazon either in

1292
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,040
the united states canada or if your

1293
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,119
listeners are here in the uk

1294
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,079
and um i you know at the end of the day

1295
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,880
the only reason i write books is to get

1296
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,599
the information out people can believe

1297
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,960
it or not believe it as long as you read

1298
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,280
the information because there are many

1299
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,559
people in america and canada and europe

1300
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,319
put their hands up when reading this

1301
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:58,240
book or or anybody's book and say you

1302
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,200
know what

1303
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
i can relate to that that happened to me

1304
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,079
and it's like a big ufological

1305
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,800
paranormal jigsaw line and somebody's

1306
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,720
knocked on the floor the pieces are all

1307
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,880
over the floor and researchers for the

1308
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,599
uk the us are trying to knit all these

1309
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,240
pieces in a paranormal ufological jigsaw

1310
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,720
together and try and get some semblance

1311
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:21,760
of where this has taken taking us so i

1312
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,880
mean my books on nessie uh ufos porter

1313
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,720
guys etc

1314
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,160
um

1315
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,920
they're just for people your lovely

1316
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,920
listeners to read

1317
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,400
understand and take it or leave it it's

1318
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,520
you know entirely up to the readership

1319
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,880
absolutely and i can only imagine i'm

1320
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,880
familiar a little bit with uh some of

1321
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,280
these paranormal things i i go back and

1322
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,040
forth to utah although i live in las

1323
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,920
vegas i go to the uintah basin of utah

1324
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,079
often and have a property just south of

1325
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,240
the old bigelow ranch there and

1326
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,319
these things tend to make various

1327
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,319
appearances but only for some time and

1328
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:00,480
then they go away and but i can only

1329
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,640
imagine uh being constantly berated and

1330
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,200
this is a terrifying story of how

1331
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:08,880
they they're in a desperate fight

1332
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:11,839
against these supernatural forces lastly

1333
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,160
i wanted to ask you a part of the book

1334
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:17,119
that really really drew my attention

1335
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,079
was

1336
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,480
the glitter or the

1337
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,559
chemical element iridium that resembles

1338
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,319
glitter and how patricia had this

1339
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,000
showing up on her body can we tell

1340
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,680
listeners a little bit about that before

1341
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,760
we wrap up

1342
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,000
yeah it's a strange one that's you know

1343
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,559
after some of the instances uh occurring

1344
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,240
in the family home

1345
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:37,839
when they've encountered these beings

1346
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,640
etc they seem to have found this

1347
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:43,040
glitter-like stuff on on their arms and

1348
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,400
their bodies

1349
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,440
and

1350
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,040
it looks like the kind of glitter that

1351
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:48,960
young girls will wear going to a party

1352
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,680
but this will not come off no matter how

1353
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,520
much you rub it etc

1354
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,400
over time it's slightly faded i've seen

1355
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,480
photographs of this as well

1356
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,040
and um obviously you've got to ask a

1357
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,000
skeptical question and which i had i had

1358
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
to ask is that is that not just some

1359
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,160
makeup or some glitter you're throwing

1360
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,280
about and she said no no no this has

1361
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,680
suddenly appeared in our bodies after

1362
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,280
certain things strange things have been

1363
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,400
going on in the house now the thing is

1364
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,040
i've never really truly heard of this

1365
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,440
before in any other case not

1366
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,280
that's what makes it so interesting and

1367
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,000
so surprising to me that um

1368
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,000
are seeing you know these the family

1369
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,520
have seen this glitter appear on their

1370
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,400
body um is it something that's seeping

1371
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,240
through the chemical makeup of

1372
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,799
everyone's body but for them it's coming

1373
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,119
through and showing as glitter or is it

1374
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,799
something entirely different it's just

1375
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:44,079
another

1376
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,680
bizarre twist to the whole um patricia

1377
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,680
and amanda scenario that they've had to

1378
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:50,720
endure

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over the years yes it's fascinating an

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absolutely fascinating aspect that i was

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not familiar with either and i just

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found it very remarkable along with

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everything else in the book

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definitely everybody should go to amazon

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and pick this up the title is please

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leave us alone by malcolm robinson the

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true and terrifying story of an irish

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family and their desperate fight against

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the hatman and supernatural forces i

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can't thank you enough for coming on the

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podcast malcolm and i hope you have a

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very happy halloween and we talk again

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soon

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yeah it's been an absolute pleasure ryan

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to be on your show and i would just you

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know say to each and every one of your

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listeners you know

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just keep searching keep searching keep

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an open mind and

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it's a wonderful wonderful subject to be

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involved in it takes you so many avenues

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it makes you think of the box but

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people like your good self ryan are

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doing a wonderful service to inform

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people of the united states and

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elsewhere about what is going on in this

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strange planet of ours

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well there you have it ladies and

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gentlemen

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experienced researcher malcolm robinson

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and his amazing tale

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of

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an irish family and their desperate

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fight against the hatman and other

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supernatural forces

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what a great episode and this time of

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year we are reminded that the other side

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of the veil is very much alive

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so please celebrate the other side this

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halloween samhain or dia de los muertos

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for wherever you celebrate

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it is obvious that something is there

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halloween is definitely the spookiest

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night of the year

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all saints day or all hallows eve is

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very important to many cultures the

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worldwide

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a distant relative of mine

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scottish poet robert burns helped

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popularize the word halloween with his

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1785 poem of the same name

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according to mythology the veil between

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the other world and our world thins

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during samhain

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making it easier for spirits

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and the souls of the dead to return

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django lanterns symbolize a fateful deal

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with the devil

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if you ever meet the devil on a darkened

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road don't try to trick him into

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climbing a tree as the story goes one

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night a conniving local drunkard named

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jack trapped the prince of darkness in a

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tree by hacking a sign of the cross into

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the bark

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in exchange for letting satan climb down

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jack had to vow to never claim his soul

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jack proceeded to act like a jerk his

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whole life when he died he was not

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allowed in heaven so he tried to return

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to his old pal the devil

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but satan upheld his end of the deal

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hurling a piece of coal from hell at the

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dead man for good measure left without

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anywhere to go jack placed the blazing

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coal in a turnip and used it as a

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lantern

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the dead man then set out doomed to

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wander until he can find a place of

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eternal resting

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so every time you see a jack-o'-lantern

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don't forget good old jack

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thank you all for listening and until

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next time keep your eyes to the skies

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feet on the ground but don't forget to

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